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Classical gas.
I have been playing guitar now for about 46 yrs. I had a career with my local government education department for a number of years teaching music and music technology to young people from about 12 to 25 yrs of age. Now, because of a serious spinal injury (please, no tap jokes),write and record mainly from home with a view to some wheelchair bound future gigs showcasing my own compositions.
Like a number of guitarist, I have not owned a nylon strung guitar for a great number of years and decided that it was about time that I did. My first ever guitar was a nylon classical and I wanted this sound instead of playing classical and barque pieces on steel strings. Browsing through the Thomann guitars I found this one coming in at just under £200 and gave it a go, I have not been disappointed.
The guitar arrived three days from dispatch to the UK, in Thomann's usual bomb proof, padded and double boxed packaging. The guitar out of the box was in good condition and almost in tune, just a very dry fret board that after a coat or two of lemon oil, was fine.
The guitar has a heavy mahogany body with a well matched solid spruce top, a very well set mahogany neck and Roseacer fret board. The two "sound holes" nice as they are, are for no more than show, being only a few mm deep and offering no real acoustic value at all. This guitar is really a solid bodied instrument, though in the silence of the night, it can be heard slightly unplugged and the aesthetics of the pseudo sound holes give a very classy vibe. It has a nicely cut nut and, for a classical type guitar, a very low action. The bridge is walnut and with a nice cream binding on the body and neck, all this adds up to a great looking, fantastically playable instrument.
Coming to the sound. I have tried this guitar through a number of amps, acoustic simulation F/X and straight in to my desk, so, this is a fairly well rounded review of the sound. I do not know the make or type of Piezo pickup but it works well. The volume sweep is good and smooth with no hint of distortion when flat out and produces a superb representation of all the main aspects of a good professional nylon classical guitar. The bass and treble do what they say and I found the bass at 40 to 50% and the treble at about 50 to 60% seems to work well for me.The sound then over all with just a hint of reverb, is super clean, lush, very well rounded and of a quality that sounds a great, great deal more than just under £200, by and large with this sound, build and ease of playing you feel like you have a five to £600 guitar, in your hands. A bit more reverb and volume and I had Bach swirling and dancing in my ears with a truly amazing tonality and timbre, fantastic. It is an instrument I would be happy and confident to use live in any situation and look forward to the day when I can again.
Once again, I have an absolutely unbeatable guitar for £196 and in terms of price, quality and service all I can say is, many thanks Thomann, you have done it yet again.
Like a number of guitarist, I have not owned a nylon strung guitar for a great number of years and decided that it was about time that I did. My first ever guitar was a nylon classical and I wanted this sound instead of playing classical and barque pieces on steel strings. Browsing through the Thomann guitars I found this one coming in at just under £200 and gave it a go, I have not been disappointed.
The guitar arrived three days from dispatch to the UK, in Thomann's usual bomb proof, padded and double boxed packaging. The guitar out of the box was in good condition and almost in tune, just a very dry fret board that after a coat or two of lemon oil, was fine.
The guitar has a heavy mahogany body with a well matched solid spruce top, a very well set mahogany neck and Roseacer fret board. The two "sound holes" nice as they are, are for no more than show, being only a few mm deep and offering no real acoustic value at all. This guitar is really a solid bodied instrument, though in the silence of the night, it can be heard slightly unplugged and the aesthetics of the pseudo sound holes give a very classy vibe. It has a nicely cut nut and, for a classical type guitar, a very low action. The bridge is walnut and with a nice cream binding on the body and neck, all this adds up to a great looking, fantastically playable instrument.
Coming to the sound. I have tried this guitar through a number of amps, acoustic simulation F/X and straight in to my desk, so, this is a fairly well rounded review of the sound. I do not know the make or type of Piezo pickup but it works well. The volume sweep is good and smooth with no hint of distortion when flat out and produces a superb representation of all the main aspects of a good professional nylon classical guitar. The bass and treble do what they say and I found the bass at 40 to 50% and the treble at about 50 to 60% seems to work well for me.The sound then over all with just a hint of reverb, is super clean, lush, very well rounded and of a quality that sounds a great, great deal more than just under £200, by and large with this sound, build and ease of playing you feel like you have a five to £600 guitar, in your hands. A bit more reverb and volume and I had Bach swirling and dancing in my ears with a truly amazing tonality and timbre, fantastic. It is an instrument I would be happy and confident to use live in any situation and look forward to the day when I can again.
Once again, I have an absolutely unbeatable guitar for £196 and in terms of price, quality and service all I can say is, many thanks Thomann, you have done it yet again.
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Strange but true
The Man-in-the-Moon signed the Quality Control release note on my Harley Benton Nashville, nylon string. For when it arrived it has only 5 strings….working. I checked my order. Yes it said 6-strings. I checked my other eight guitars. Yes 6-strings. So what is going on?
The D string didn’t match the set on the guitar and emitted no sound….AT ALL. Goodness. Was this manufactured prior to 1700 when guitars were 5-string instruments?
What on earth is going on? Ahhhh. Got it. Change the rogue string for a shiny new one that matched the set. Tuned up. BUT still no sound. Hhhhmmm.
As Germany isn’t next door, I couldn’t walk to Thomann and knock. I removed the saddle. Sure enough the piezo pickup was intact. What next to check?
Oooops. I dropped the shiny, white saddle piece I’d removed. But it didn’t fall onto the floor. It floated up to the ceiling and remained there. I stood on a chair to retrieve it. Wow it was featherlight. On its underside I noticed that it had ejection holes from the plastic moulding process. I inserted a proper bone saddle into the bridge, tuned-up and whey-hey – Music arrived at the D-string. So the holes on the underside of the supplied saddle were preventing the piezo (pressure) effect from working.
No problem.
Except my bone saddle was straight edge at the top and the removed one had a radius. Into my workshop. Rough emery paper needed. When the radius matched. Back to fit. But the height of the 6th string at the 12th fret was enormous. Back to the emery to grind its bottom. Careful check, but still too high. Sanded some more and happy.
Now for the grey and dusty-looking fretboard. Got the Linseed oil out and with the drenched cloth, gave it a scrub. Goodness. I now have a wonderful-looking dark brown fretboard. That worked.
Now to tune the guitar. But I couldn’t as the tuners on the unseen-side, wouldn’t twist. They were stuck. So I turned the guitar to left-handed and gave the tuners an angry stare. Oh dear. What to do? Adjusting the torque on the screws didn’t work. Greasing the barrels didn’t work. Then I spotted that the nylon barrels were badly fitted into the wood. Oiled both sides and Hey presto, the winders began to turn.
Someone rang my house bell. Went to investigate. Good news. My Butler, who I hired earlier, had arrived. So I sat on my stool with my left thigh raised in the Classical position, waiting. He then lifted the guitar onto my thigh. Now I was anchored for the next hour and a quarter. So dismissed the Butler and asked him to return after practise to release me.
You’ve guessed correctly. This guitar is HEAVY.
I heard on the news that someone has stolen a section of hi-speed rail track. I have found it. It is fitted into my HB Nashville to separate each fret. Then hammered into a distinct radius. These enormous frets mean that your left-hand fingers disappear each time you finger a note. As it takes time to extricate your finger from the deep and move it to the next note, I can only play Adagio. Tunes like Brahms lullaby and Silent Night - over and over.
Talking of frets, there are 16 before the neck meets the body. You can overcome this enormous distance by re-arranging all your music from the first position to the 5th position. That was still a stretch. Chose to move to the more playable 10th position. After all there are 21 frets to explore.
The plastic (again) nut is 48mm width. You therefore expect that the width across all 6 strings will be 40mm, giving an 8mm gap. But no. It measures 39mm. What!
Playing fingerstyle, I found my right-hand seemed content. Big surprise on measuring the string spacing at the bridge. It is the Classical 60mm. A 48mm nut normally ends up 57.5mm at the bridge. The extra width helps playability.
The guitar is slim at 45mm and is smaller by 50mm across the bouts. It sits well on your thigh.
The White House requested an audience to hear its timbre. The Royal Albert Hall too. I tossed and turned wondering what tune would suit. Then I woke up.
The D string didn’t match the set on the guitar and emitted no sound….AT ALL. Goodness. Was this manufactured prior to 1700 when guitars were 5-string instruments?
What on earth is going on? Ahhhh. Got it. Change the rogue string for a shiny new one that matched the set. Tuned up. BUT still no sound. Hhhhmmm.
As Germany isn’t next door, I couldn’t walk to Thomann and knock. I removed the saddle. Sure enough the piezo pickup was intact. What next to check?
Oooops. I dropped the shiny, white saddle piece I’d removed. But it didn’t fall onto the floor. It floated up to the ceiling and remained there. I stood on a chair to retrieve it. Wow it was featherlight. On its underside I noticed that it had ejection holes from the plastic moulding process. I inserted a proper bone saddle into the bridge, tuned-up and whey-hey – Music arrived at the D-string. So the holes on the underside of the supplied saddle were preventing the piezo (pressure) effect from working.
No problem.
Except my bone saddle was straight edge at the top and the removed one had a radius. Into my workshop. Rough emery paper needed. When the radius matched. Back to fit. But the height of the 6th string at the 12th fret was enormous. Back to the emery to grind its bottom. Careful check, but still too high. Sanded some more and happy.
Now for the grey and dusty-looking fretboard. Got the Linseed oil out and with the drenched cloth, gave it a scrub. Goodness. I now have a wonderful-looking dark brown fretboard. That worked.
Now to tune the guitar. But I couldn’t as the tuners on the unseen-side, wouldn’t twist. They were stuck. So I turned the guitar to left-handed and gave the tuners an angry stare. Oh dear. What to do? Adjusting the torque on the screws didn’t work. Greasing the barrels didn’t work. Then I spotted that the nylon barrels were badly fitted into the wood. Oiled both sides and Hey presto, the winders began to turn.
Someone rang my house bell. Went to investigate. Good news. My Butler, who I hired earlier, had arrived. So I sat on my stool with my left thigh raised in the Classical position, waiting. He then lifted the guitar onto my thigh. Now I was anchored for the next hour and a quarter. So dismissed the Butler and asked him to return after practise to release me.
You’ve guessed correctly. This guitar is HEAVY.
I heard on the news that someone has stolen a section of hi-speed rail track. I have found it. It is fitted into my HB Nashville to separate each fret. Then hammered into a distinct radius. These enormous frets mean that your left-hand fingers disappear each time you finger a note. As it takes time to extricate your finger from the deep and move it to the next note, I can only play Adagio. Tunes like Brahms lullaby and Silent Night - over and over.
Talking of frets, there are 16 before the neck meets the body. You can overcome this enormous distance by re-arranging all your music from the first position to the 5th position. That was still a stretch. Chose to move to the more playable 10th position. After all there are 21 frets to explore.
The plastic (again) nut is 48mm width. You therefore expect that the width across all 6 strings will be 40mm, giving an 8mm gap. But no. It measures 39mm. What!
Playing fingerstyle, I found my right-hand seemed content. Big surprise on measuring the string spacing at the bridge. It is the Classical 60mm. A 48mm nut normally ends up 57.5mm at the bridge. The extra width helps playability.
The guitar is slim at 45mm and is smaller by 50mm across the bouts. It sits well on your thigh.
The White House requested an audience to hear its timbre. The Royal Albert Hall too. I tossed and turned wondering what tune would suit. Then I woke up.
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You Get What You Pay For - Defective Pot and Low Quality Nut
The Good ~ 1. A nice price point compared to other electric nylon options. 2. The finish is very nice. I did not experience any problems with the faux f-holes that other reviewers have noted.
The Bad ~ 1. Saddle is a bit tall, making the action a bit high. Seems like it can be taken down without buzzing. 2. The low-E and high-E strings were wound on the tuners backwards and both strings rubbed and caught against the outer walls of the tuner slots.
The Ugly ~ 1. The treble control fell off. The knob came off with the pot stem still connected, leaving a hole that looks like a mini-jack where the control used to be. This is unacceptable. 2. The nut is made out of soft plastic and the slots were not wide enough for the strings. This resulted in the strings digging into their slots and seizing to the point were turning the tuner would stretch the string between the tuner and the nut.
(Too bad I cannot post pictures here)
I emailed Thomann but have not heard back. I am in the US so I think returning this guitar will be a small nightmare.
The Bad ~ 1. Saddle is a bit tall, making the action a bit high. Seems like it can be taken down without buzzing. 2. The low-E and high-E strings were wound on the tuners backwards and both strings rubbed and caught against the outer walls of the tuner slots.
The Ugly ~ 1. The treble control fell off. The knob came off with the pot stem still connected, leaving a hole that looks like a mini-jack where the control used to be. This is unacceptable. 2. The nut is made out of soft plastic and the slots were not wide enough for the strings. This resulted in the strings digging into their slots and seizing to the point were turning the tuner would stretch the string between the tuner and the nut.
(Too bad I cannot post pictures here)
I emailed Thomann but have not heard back. I am in the US so I think returning this guitar will be a small nightmare.
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great value....poor set-up......but buy it and work on it!....you won’t be disappointed.
the guitar is remarkable value for money..superb body, super-smooth neck, lovely fret and fingerboard.....but the routing in the bridge for the piezo was poor and resulted in treble and bass E strings delivering volume levels much higher than other strings. This is typical of low cost piezo pick ups. I stripped the whole bridge assembly to find that the socket for the piezo was not flat but slightly concave. Buy this guitar on my advice but be prepared for some careful re-fitting of the piezo. Internal wiring was good, nothing wrong with the piezo itself, control pots work really well....wiring looms tidy....I have looked for a way of amplifying a classical guitar at low cost, that is without expensive microphones and acoustic guitar amplifiers.
A few more minutes and a little more care on the production line would deliver a perfectly flat platform for the piezo....and the pressure sensitive piezo relies on this.
I have worked on this and after 3 or 4 attempts now have a good string volume balance...good enough to achieve perfectly balanced string volume with the help of a £20 Behringer compressor pedal.
The resultant guitar is a joy to play and the sound range, thanks to separate bass and treble pots is excellent.
Add “superlube’ to the tuners straight away and work this in. I really like the 45mm string spacing at the nut for finger style playing and the general action is first class.
TO THOMMAN’S CREDIT I HAVENT HAD TO REPLACED ANYTHING!!!...just refined the original set up..and I won’t part with the guitar...I play it every day.
A few more minutes and a little more care on the production line would deliver a perfectly flat platform for the piezo....and the pressure sensitive piezo relies on this.
I have worked on this and after 3 or 4 attempts now have a good string volume balance...good enough to achieve perfectly balanced string volume with the help of a £20 Behringer compressor pedal.
The resultant guitar is a joy to play and the sound range, thanks to separate bass and treble pots is excellent.
Add “superlube’ to the tuners straight away and work this in. I really like the 45mm string spacing at the nut for finger style playing and the general action is first class.
TO THOMMAN’S CREDIT I HAVENT HAD TO REPLACED ANYTHING!!!...just refined the original set up..and I won’t part with the guitar...I play it every day.
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More than Bargained For!
I needed a portable acoustic guitar that would not have the bulkiness of a standard acoustic, this model came to my attention and I am glad it did, This guitar is very well built, Sounds better than I could have imagined, Holds tuning, works well with pedals and looks great to boot, It's my 1st Harley and gotta be honest if 1st impressions is any indication this one makes a good one, really impressed with the overall quality of this guitar, Going to show it off to some brand doubters,
Pros
very portable
sounds as an acoustic guitar should
can be used with pedals
solid build quality
Cons
thus far I do not see any downsides
Pros
very portable
sounds as an acoustic guitar should
can be used with pedals
solid build quality
Cons
thus far I do not see any downsides
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Great Inspired Nylon String Electric Nashville
This guitar is great. I collect guitars and have a Nashville chet atkins and had to buy this. The finish on this is nothing to sneeze at and needed no set up right out of the box. Its fun to play fingerstyle with it and the neck isnt too wide for my medium sized hands. Its got a flatish feel to the back of the neck and I mostly play in the headstock position. I run it through guitar rig 6 on the rammfire driven tremelo preset and love it.
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Terrific guitar - regardless of price
I had been looking at this for a while and eventually took the plunge.
Overall verdict - Very Happy with this puchase.
First impression: The guitar plays extremely well, I also have a Taylor Nylon and its not far off the mark although I feel I need to maybe use harder tension on the high strings to give more or less the same feel I experience with the Taylor.
Finish: A fine if not curious looking instrument although there is one area of the cosmetic cutouts thats a little bit ragged on close examination. Otherwise it's immaculate and setup well. I believe one of the earlier reviews also mentioned this so there's probably a problem with the jig in manufacture that could be easily solved? It doesn't worry me as I'm so pleased with the playability and I'm only aware of the flaw when I'm looking for it.
Electrics: A little bit disappointed with the amplified sound up to now, although I may find optimum settings the more I play with it. I have found best setting so far to be bass and treble neutral and the Volume way down otherwise there is an element of unpleasant distortion. If I can't get the sound out of it I want I will seriously consider paying a luthier to put a high end pick up in there maybe, particularly as rhe acquisition cost was so reasonable.
Playability: Great for near silent practicing but took me a few sessions to get used to the Aural response you experience of not 'hearing' the sound amplified naturally through an acoustic body and soundhole as you play despite the strings feeling the same.
Overall verdict - Very Happy with this puchase.
First impression: The guitar plays extremely well, I also have a Taylor Nylon and its not far off the mark although I feel I need to maybe use harder tension on the high strings to give more or less the same feel I experience with the Taylor.
Finish: A fine if not curious looking instrument although there is one area of the cosmetic cutouts thats a little bit ragged on close examination. Otherwise it's immaculate and setup well. I believe one of the earlier reviews also mentioned this so there's probably a problem with the jig in manufacture that could be easily solved? It doesn't worry me as I'm so pleased with the playability and I'm only aware of the flaw when I'm looking for it.
Electrics: A little bit disappointed with the amplified sound up to now, although I may find optimum settings the more I play with it. I have found best setting so far to be bass and treble neutral and the Volume way down otherwise there is an element of unpleasant distortion. If I can't get the sound out of it I want I will seriously consider paying a luthier to put a high end pick up in there maybe, particularly as rhe acquisition cost was so reasonable.
Playability: Great for near silent practicing but took me a few sessions to get used to the Aural response you experience of not 'hearing' the sound amplified naturally through an acoustic body and soundhole as you play despite the strings feeling the same.
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First of all I would like to say that the delivery from Germany to me in the UK was excellent. It was despatched on Monday morning and was put in my hands first thing on Thursday. Packaging was first class.
Upon opening the package I was immediately very pleased by the guitars finish and appearance, it looks great, it feels good in the hands and its quite light too. The 'solid' body has had cavities machined into it for this reason I guess, not to mention housing the electronics of course.
Regarding sound, unplugged the guitar is rather quiet as one might expect but it is loud enough for quiet practise but wow! plug it in and now hear it go. I play through a Roland Micro cube amplifier for practise, busking and even on gigs I plug the P.A. into my Cube so I have control of my sound. This guitar sounds fabulous through this amplifier. Not just for clean nylon sound, it is possible to overdrive too without fear of feedback.
Now for my one complaint, the action was too high at the nut end for my preference, so, very carefully, with a standard hacksaw blade, I have deepened the grooves in the nut where the strings sit thus lowering the action substantially. Tip, I also used the blade to set the gap between strings and top of the first fret. Please, only attempt this if you are very confident in your skills. I take no responsibility.
I bought this guitar as a backup really but having tried it, it will now be my first choice, particularly when playing with my band as I find it very comfortable for playing whilst I am standing up, due to the thin body, at last I am not the only one sitting down.
Another feature I really like is the positioning and type of controls for volume, tone and bass. It is SO much easier to make a quick adjustment on the fly rather than trying to do it on the usual sliders mounted on the top side of all other electro acoustics.
Summing up then, I consider this guitar better than the Stagg equivalent which costs more and in my opinion has a 'thinner' sound on the treble strings and far too much sustain on the bass strings. For the price of the Harley Benton Nylon it is a really nice instrument and I love it.
Upon opening the package I was immediately very pleased by the guitars finish and appearance, it looks great, it feels good in the hands and its quite light too. The 'solid' body has had cavities machined into it for this reason I guess, not to mention housing the electronics of course.
Regarding sound, unplugged the guitar is rather quiet as one might expect but it is loud enough for quiet practise but wow! plug it in and now hear it go. I play through a Roland Micro cube amplifier for practise, busking and even on gigs I plug the P.A. into my Cube so I have control of my sound. This guitar sounds fabulous through this amplifier. Not just for clean nylon sound, it is possible to overdrive too without fear of feedback.
Now for my one complaint, the action was too high at the nut end for my preference, so, very carefully, with a standard hacksaw blade, I have deepened the grooves in the nut where the strings sit thus lowering the action substantially. Tip, I also used the blade to set the gap between strings and top of the first fret. Please, only attempt this if you are very confident in your skills. I take no responsibility.
I bought this guitar as a backup really but having tried it, it will now be my first choice, particularly when playing with my band as I find it very comfortable for playing whilst I am standing up, due to the thin body, at last I am not the only one sitting down.
Another feature I really like is the positioning and type of controls for volume, tone and bass. It is SO much easier to make a quick adjustment on the fly rather than trying to do it on the usual sliders mounted on the top side of all other electro acoustics.
Summing up then, I consider this guitar better than the Stagg equivalent which costs more and in my opinion has a 'thinner' sound on the treble strings and far too much sustain on the bass strings. For the price of the Harley Benton Nylon it is a really nice instrument and I love it.
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SUPER WEIRD!!
Sooo this guitar is something unique. For the pricepoint the quality is great! However you have to plug this puppy in for it to make a sound!
I wish this was a hollow body, then I'd truly be in love. ;)
Playablility is amazing since it's a very thin nylon stringed instrument.
The neck isn't as wide as a classical spanish guitar, however it is wide enough to play your classical parts. If you're looking for a unique acoustic sound on your record or live performance, this guitar will not let you down.
Also for the price, it's stunning.
I wish this was a hollow body, then I'd truly be in love. ;)
Playablility is amazing since it's a very thin nylon stringed instrument.
The neck isn't as wide as a classical spanish guitar, however it is wide enough to play your classical parts. If you're looking for a unique acoustic sound on your record or live performance, this guitar will not let you down.
Also for the price, it's stunning.
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This is only a fair guitar.
I have had this Nashville for about a month. I find it very disappointing that it is not hollow body. It is very heavy and much to quiet unless plugged into an amp. It doesn’t sit well on your leg to play, it tends to slide off your leg. Sound quality unplugged is non-existent. Mine came with a distorting piezo pickup. I am waiting for a replacement from HB. I did replace the defective piezo and had some improvement in the sound quality. The finger board is wide like a nylon should be. After lowering the action, it plays well. The sound electly is only passable. So far its a very tinny sound and requires a boost with the bass. It looks very good and plays well. The sound leaves much to be desired. Hoping for improvement with an intact piezo. So far i would not recommend this guitar to a friend.
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